What Do Charles Manson, Doris Day, and Folgers Coffee Have in Common?

Did my post title catch your attention?  Good.  We’ll talk more about that in a moment.  If you’ve noticed, on Tuesdays during pet peeve month, I’ve been discussing gross discrepancies in various laws as they apply to certain people.  Well, I’m not off my soapbox yet.

For today’s pet peeve, I’m here to talk about crime and punishment.  I’m sure I might also tick some people off when I say that I don’t think Charles Mason should be in prison.  Now, hold on!  Don’t jump on me until you’re heard everything I’ve got to say.

My problem with Charles Manson still being incarcerated is this:  He’s been in jail for longer than I’ve been alive for murders he did not commit.  Whoa!  Wait a minute before you react.  What I’m saying is he instructed the members of his cult to massacre the people that were killed, but he didn’t actually commit the murders.  His cult members did.  In fact, he wasn’t even charged with murder, but rather the lesser charge of seven counts of conspiracy to commit murder.

Now, why on earth would I say that I don’t think this man should still be in prison?  Because, there are worse murderers walking around free.  The murders I’m talking about?  MOMS.  There are plenty of mothers who have either killed their own child(ren) for a husband or boyfriend or with a husband or boyfriend.

Bradley McGee

Case in point:  In 1989, twenty years after the Manson slayings, right in my own hometown, Sheryl Coe helped her husband brutally murder her two-year old son, Bradley McGee.  Of course that was after they abandoned the child at a mall, and later the boy had been removed from the home repeatedly by the state because they had tortured him mercilessly throughout his short life.  She served less than nine years in prison before she was released, at which point she moved to Illinois.  Furthermore, she has since remarried and had another child, and she was allowed to keep custody of said child by an Illinois court.  Bradley’s stepdad is still in prison.  I went to high school with the sister of the demented husband who killed this child.  His sister was a smart and very nice girl.  I don’t know how he chose to be so wicked.

Ursula “Sunshine” Assaid

Need more proof?  In 1982, again, right here in my home state, Susan Assaid aided and abetted her boyfriend in torturing her five-year old daughter, Ursula “Sunshine” Assaid, for 55 hours before brutally murdering her then dumping her body in a retention pond.  She received only a 15-year sentence and has long since been released and moved to California.  The boyfriend who led in the abuse was killed in prison by another inmate in 1996.  The judge who presided over this trial and sentenced the parents was the same judge who did a rotten job on my custody case with my son.  Of course that’s after he was reassigned to family court after being caught keeping porn in his chambers, but that’s a different story.

Caylee Anthony

Do I even need to go into the more recent Caylee Anthony murder where her mother Casey Anthony was acquitted?  And in case you’re wondering, yes, I believe she was guilty.  At the time the child went missing, I lived only a few miles from her home, and I witnessed the family putting up the initial missing child flyers around Orlando.

I think the worst thing a person, either male or female, can do is to purposefully brutalize and kill their own child.  And I’m not talking about an adult-sized angry teenager on drugs or other such factors that might mitigate some sort of “justifiable homicide.”  I mean, these children were all under kindergarten age!  They literally had their entire lives in front of them.

So, yeah, while I definitely empathize with the Helter Skelter victims as well as their families, I’m outraged over the fact that Charles Manson, a man that was admittedly on acid (as well as other drugs) at the time the murders took place is still in jail, yet these women who have since tortured and murdered their own children are now walking around free.  I think the fact that Manson was on hallucinogenic and other mind-altering drugs at the time is proof that he wasn’t in his right frame of mind, and I reiterate the fact that he wasn’t even present at the crime scenes.  (I do think it’s a sick testament to his power of persuasion that he was able to convince so many other lost kids to commit the murders, though.)

But these mothers that killed their own children were not on drugs.  Their brains were functioning at 100% when they made the conscious choice to abuse, nay, viciously torture, and allow their husbands to abuse and cold-bloodedly kill their own children.

Is Charles Manson a danger to society?  Probably.  Should he be walking around free?  I don’t think so.  Do I think he should be locked away?  Absolutely!  But perhaps a more appropriate place for him would be in a mental institution.  The State of California is footing the bill either way.  At any rate, I don’t think these moms should have ever seen the light of day again.

By the way, the answer to the title’s question is simple:  Record producer Terry Melcher was Doris Day’s only son.  Sharon Tate and her husband rented Terry Melcher’s house which is where the Manson Family killed Mrs. Tate and some of her friends including Abigail Folger, heiress to the Folgers Coffee fortune.  It’s been said that Mr. Manson was actually targeting Mr. Melcher for failing to include him in a record deal (though later it came out that Manson did in fact know that Melcher had moved).  Furthermore, I chose today to post this particular post, because today is my sister Michelle’s birthday, and Michelle’s favorite actress is Doris Day.  Happy Birthday, Michelle!

So that’s my two cents for today’s installment of “Rachel Rants.”  Are you for or against capital punishment?  How would you feel about mandatory sterilization for parents found guilty of barbaric child abuse?  Do you think that parents found guilty of murdering their own child should have to register once they are released from prison, such as a sex offender does?  Or do you think once a person has served their time for murdering their own child, their crime should be erased from the minds of everyone else?

38 thoughts on “What Do Charles Manson, Doris Day, and Folgers Coffee Have in Common?

  1. Your title served one important purpose. It got me to read this entry. That’s a plus for anyone writing a blog entry.

    Anyway – I’ve seen Doris Day movies. She ought to have been locked up a long time ago. All of that singing and those freckles and that happy-go-cheery disposition of hers – I tell you it isn’t normal or right. She is most likely an alien sent to infiltrate our populace.


    As for Folgers coffee – well, I’m drinking some right now. It is cold and black and bitter – the way I like my coffee.

    Maybe I’m an alien too…

  2. I don’t have a problem with the death penalty, other than it takes too long to implement. As I recall, Charlie tied the married couple up, so under most law, he was an accomplice to murder. There’s a lot wrong with our criminal justice system that can’t be fixed. You’re right though, Charlie should be in a mental health facility, in a jar.

  3. I abhor capital punishment – thank goodness we do not have it here – yet with Manson ‘life’ should mean ‘life.’ A manipulative piece of pure evil – don’t think Hitler attended the ovens! Fascinating, thought provoking post young Rachel.

    • Do you have life in prison without the possibility of parole there? I think those two boys there who stoned that little boy should have received life and not have gotten out when they turned of age. I do think some people can be rehabilitated, but others, you just know they’re headed for bad news. 🙂

      • Positive and negative in all things. Some are born evil others not. Some crimes are unforgivable – the perpetrators should never see the light of day within free society yet to execute them is to sink to their level. And the case you talk about I agree 100% with you. We do have ‘whole life’ sentences here yet are not used enough! There you have it young Rachel – my bit of philosophy!

      • LOL! Yes, you are right, about positive and negative in all. And I do believe some people are actually born evil. Honestly, I’m not actually sure if I believe in capital punishment or not. Sometimes I hear of a crime so heinous, I’m all for it, and other times I feel that mercy is better than vengeance. Of course, there are also plenty of times that I feel that death is too good for them and a torture chamber would be more appropriate (like these mothers I cited), but I know that’s horrible of me, too! And other times, I think it might be best to just put them in the general population of the prison and let natural selection take over. Frankly, I’m glad I don’t have to be the one to make those decisions. 🙂

  4. I may be wrong but, I seem to recall that Manson was sentenced to death, under the old law, which like all (or almost all) of them was abrogated by the court in the 70s) but in any case, he doesn’t belong in society, ever.

    The others you cite, should also never be out again either, if not executed, then life is too short, and perhaps a harsher sentence anyway. I’ve become cautious of the death penalty, although not apposed, to my mind one must be very sure of guilt, and I’m reluctant to believe that a court of men can be sure enough. Tough one though.

    Casey Anthony is another one of those cases, like O. J. Simpson, that constitute an miscarriage of justice, usually because of publicity. I don’t know the solution, mostly because it’s better for a few guilty to be found innocent than for many innocent be found guilty. An answer respecting everybody’s rights would be most welcome.

    I had forgotten Doris Day’s connection to that horror but did remember the rest. And again, Happy Birthday to Michelle, she must be very wonderful, to have a sister as special as you. 🙂

  5. i believe that anyone who abets in a murder or crime in general, is just as guilty, they are then a part of it. just as i teach young children about bullies, if you stand by and do nothing or don’t ask someone to help the target, you are a part of the bullying too. as for those who murder and torture children – they should stay under lock and key somewhere, whether in a prison or mental institution, and there is a special place in hell reserved for them.

  6. did you see george anthony spray an older lady with a hose?
    you know what made me mad. i lived in orlando for 10 months , after the trial, when some idiot
    let casey adopt a dog. i wrote & asked to be a foster mother & they wrote me & said i wasn’t a citizen of florida, which i was after 6 months, but i was so mad. i wrote you gave casey a dog & every dog she ever had ended up dead & it was a very large number. they assured me they didn’t give her a dog.

  7. I adore Doris Day. I knew about the connections having mentioned them myself in various writings and also in the house built on the spot where Terry lived – it was knocked down. Having been involved in music I treasure the work of Doris and Terry. I can do without the coffee and I think Manson is where he should be. The judicial system needs looking at if these other murderers and those aiding and abetting such crimes are given such paltry sentences. Happy birthday to your sister. She has great taste. 🙂

  8. Lost part of that post….internet connection going mental. I was saying that a relative worked in the house which is now on the spot the Melcher house stood. If you can make sense of this now. Apologies, storms outside causing outages. J

  9. Great post Rachel. I can’t agree though that you can use lenient treatment given to child murderers as a benchmark to open the gates to other psychos.
    Generally I’m aghast that most of your United States still have the death penalty as a remedy. Have we learnt nothing about the futility of zapping fellow humans, mostly black, mostly marginally subnormal and quite probably innocent but they have no clever lawyers speaking up for them? It’s just blood lust and it dehumanises us.
    Had to LOL at Steve ^^ being a big Doris Day admirer, as he clearly is 😉

  10. I’m against the death penalty, but vehemently pro for locking up all of the above mentioned women, and Charles. He may not have committed the murders, but if he were free (even though he was on drugs), I agree he’d be a dangerous menace. None of those women should be walking free. And yes, there should be a list for people like that, just like the sex offender list. Because sex offenders are dangerous. Aren’t these women (and men), also?
    GREAT post!

  11. What a great title! I am against capital punishment. But I also don’t think a lot of people should be able to be back to do more harm. Yes, probably, they should be in a mental institution. As for those parents. . . Horrible, horrible. . . So horrible to hear about; just so horrifying! As you can see, I have no words. . .

  12. Apparently either the standards and measures have all flown out the window, or no one bothers to pay attention to them any more… or the people who rated this horrific story I accidentally opened because it was rated a mere PG rather than an R need their brains examined, and EVERYONE needs to revise what constitutes a PG, PG-13, and an R. (I would suggest that our current PG-13 be split up into two ratings: PG-13 and PG-17. And then I just wouldn’t watch anything rated over PG-13…)

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